Lore talk:Hero of Kvatch

Pre-Release Images

I object to the use of pre-release images on this page. As a lorepage, elements specific to gameplay should be limited as much as possible. Since most of these images have visible HUD, they shouldn't be here with so many better images already on the page in the form of the Artwork section. The gallery shouldn't be used to display every image, but rather all the relevant ones. Pre-release content in general is heavily disincentivized from inclusion in the lorespace as outlined in our content guidelines. The pre-release images here are almost all displaying features of the game, not displaying the character himself. Mindtrait0r (talk) 00:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

As the one who added the pre-release gallery, I agree. I initially created it in my original sandbox version to use to fill out what was once a stub, but as the page has plenty of images as is and will presumably grow to include more specific info on their antics throughout Cyrodiil and as Sheogorath, then it is no longer appropriate and would probably be more beneficial for the Oblivion:Bendu Olo article, if at all. --Rezalon (talk) 01:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Cat:Lore-Gods?

As the Hero became the Sheogorath encountered in the Fourth Era, would it be appropriate to add Category:Lore-Gods to this page? --Rezalon (talk) 00:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I've added it since Tiber Septim has it. Mindtrait0r (talk) 19:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Legends Card

What do y'all think about this Legends card, The Ultimate Heist? The name of the card is the same name of the quest in Oblivion and depicts the events of that quest. Does this mean the card depicts the Hero of Kvatch and said Hero did the Thieves Guild quest? Mindtrait0r (talk) 13:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

As of right now, I think I would lean towards it not depicting the Hero of Kvatch. I see this card as similar to the precedent set by the World-Eater's Eyrie card, which this wiki has noted for its similarity to the events of Skyrim but has not yet decided to claim is depicting the Last Dragonborn. If we don't say that is the LDB, then I don't think we can say this is the HoK. To be honest though, I think the precedent of the World-Eater's Eyrie can be rewritten to say it depicts the LDB without much contestation. As for if it would mean the Hero did the Thieves Guild quest, I think the current wiki standard is that the Heroes did not necessarily do their guild quests (Lore:Staff of Magnus says "a new member of the college, Lore:Mercer Frey says "a new guild member", Lore:Lucien Lachance says "His Silencer" and "the new Listener"). Interestingly, some other quests do name the hero, like Lore:Wabbajack stating it was the Last Dragonborn and Lore:Skull of Corruption name-dropping both the Hero of Kvatch and the Last Dragonborn. Perhaps the jury is still out on this, but guild quests specifically tend to lean towards it not having to be the Heroes.

In all, there doesn't seem to be anything definitive but wiki precedence seems to generally point to "no" for both questions. BananaKing5 (talk) 14:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Well said. With the World Eater's Eyrie card, I think the general attitude is actually that it does depict the LDB. This can't be viewed anywhere on the wiki as of right now, but it was previously used as the image for LDB on Lore:Hero before we starting using trailer depictions. I think it'd still be what we use if we weren't using trailers. The inconsistency you mentioned I have brought up before on the talk page of Lore:Hero. There wasn't a clear consensus either way, there were I think four people on the side of not having the Heroes be confirmed to have done the side quests (only main quest + DLC main quests) and four people on the side of the Hero doing all quests. It's sorta an unresolved inconsistency, either is accepted but while it is fine to change ambiguity to a more specific reference to the Hero, the reverse isn't true (you can't change Hero mentions to ambiguity). Mindtrait0r (talk) 19:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)